Re: [-empyre-] free will and determinism

[tamara lai <tamara.lai@skynet.be>]

> what is new is our ability to interact with this space on a 'meaningful'
> level ... to go through the window, to actually enter a space that we've
> spent generations charging with our various desires and ideals. bit of a
> scary thought, really

yes!
and we charge it more than ever, with the difference that many people has
now access there, and not only some initiates using purifying rites,
incantations, invocations, voodoo, voyages in the astral, magic mushrooms
and plants etc. 

only a telephone line is needed...

t

> De : eugenie <eugenies@onetel.net.uk>
> Répondre à : soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Date : Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:23:16 +0000
> À : soft_skinned_space <empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au>
> Objet : Re: [-empyre-] free will and determinism
> 
> dear all...
> 
> alan - you believe that we are at the beginnings of virtuality? i don't know
> about that. virtuality, as john points out, has been around for a while as a
> concept. in visual/occidental terms, it's been around since at least
> Alberti's time and probably earlier.
> 
> what is new is our ability to interact with this space on a 'meaningful'
> level ... to go through the window, to actually enter a space that we've
> spent generations charging with our various desires and ideals. bit of a
> scary thought, really
> 
> eugenie
> 
> on 19/11/03 3:28 AM, John Hopkins at jhopkins@uiah.fi wrote:
> 
>>> I also would like to know in what sense failure? We're still in the
>>> beginning of virtuality, with all its dangers and pitfalls; at this
>> 
>> virtuality began a long time ago.  for example, if you look at the
>> history of glass (to compress a longer discussion much!).  Glass,
>> made from the 2 most abundant materials at the earth's surface,
>> oxygen and silicon.  Humans, facing the rush of natural and chaotic
>> energies in the sensual world, reach for the most available
>> substances to protect themselves, to separate themselves from the
>> roaring rush of nature.  Only natural that they use glass.  In
>> Icelandic, there is a phrase that translates "window weather" --
>> having a survival meaning akin to "thank god we have a 20cm square
>> piece of glass at the southern end of our sod hut through which we
>> can (safely) watch all hell break loose with one of those
>> south-easter storms" that come ripping off the North Atlantic.  If
>> you track glass forward past windows, you arrive at the whole
>> dimension of optics, leading to photography (among other things), on
>> to the CRT, (autos with windows), teevee, the sillicon dioxide
>> (called amorphous silica)-based chip, and lately to Bill's creation
>> "windows."
>> 
>> What all these material mappings hold in common is that they affect a
>> fundamental reduction (narrowing of bandwidth, if you will) of the
>> energies "out there" that arrive at our sensual inputs.  It is no
>> coincidence that silicon dioxide, as the most available substance,
>> has played such a pivotal role in the consequent insulation/isolation
>> of our senses...
>> 
>> I would define virtuality as the condition where there is a
>> human-constructed intervention that serves to reduce/narrow/limit any
>> of our sensual inputs.  Riding in a car around eLAy is very virtual,
>> unless you have a convertible, then everything becomes all too real,
>> though unbelieveable.  Looking at teevee, observing the rings of
>> Saturn through a telescope, taking photos -- the dangers and pitfalls
>> have been there since we began to hide from nature (eating fruit of
>> the tree of the knowledge of good and evil), and to cover our
>> naked-ness...
>> 
>> Hard to package this in a few paragraphs, but that is the essence.
>> It's based in the worldview that I hold, which leaves materialism
>> behind and moves in a space of energy flows...
>> 
>> jh
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